tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post2350668875885217327..comments2023-10-21T14:31:58.215+02:00Comments on 01 and the universe: Answering "Dr" PrinslooOwen Swarthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03023166526319714519noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-45618218015253765462010-04-11T10:48:38.269+02:002010-04-11T10:48:38.269+02:00Hmmm. Kinda like the not-so-ironic version of the ...Hmmm. Kinda like the not-so-ironic version of the flat earth society. Well I guess if the noun fits...<br />Brilliantly written by the way!!Citizen Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15474416471974837269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-87285951385389634492010-02-01T10:55:15.217+02:002010-02-01T10:55:15.217+02:00And another thing. By claiming only homeopaths ha...And another thing. By claiming only homeopaths have the right or ability to judge the affectiveness of his quackery, he is saying that only the bus driver will be able to tell that the bus doesn't exist and not the passengers. In the same vane, you don't have to be a bull in order to smell bull-s---t.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07790642577109476401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-23207094223126965092010-01-31T22:01:16.332+02:002010-01-31T22:01:16.332+02:00Mr 01 sir. Thank you so much for taking the time ...Mr 01 sir. Thank you so much for taking the time to give these charlatans the verbal groin kicks that they so desperately need and deserve. There are many of us with operational reasoning centres, who fully agree with you, and would love to participate in the debunking of these money-hungry conmen and assist with the enlightenment of their deluded followers. We are however not all as well equipped as you with the ability to construct such eloquent arguments against the disciples of flim-flam and horse excrement. So thank you for speaking for us. And keep up the good work.<br /><br />From a fellow profoundistAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13479151729951624770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-19592988968660512712010-01-07T15:10:15.001+02:002010-01-07T15:10:15.001+02:00What "findings" has ID made?
Trying to ...What "findings" has ID made?<br /><br />Trying to poke holes in a well-established and well-supported theory isn't the same as doing science, and "God did it" isn't a scientifically valid answer... because it's not testable.<br /><br />That doesn't necessarily say anything about whether or not ID is true (although exactly what ID claims to be true is vague at best), but it does mean that ID isn't science.Owen Swarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03023166526319714519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-26749315489657839712010-01-07T14:39:25.281+02:002010-01-07T14:39:25.281+02:00The problem with ID isnt the lack of evidence. The...The problem with ID isnt the lack of evidence. The problem is that certain individuals will not consider any findings because ID IS related to religion (deductive). Thus any plausible evidence is considered "ignorant" and subsequently thrown out. Guilt by association.Jim Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01207620333633972979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-11283435584244364832010-01-07T14:34:22.390+02:002010-01-07T14:34:22.390+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jim Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01207620333633972979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-60921661323818384242010-01-07T08:23:35.869+02:002010-01-07T08:23:35.869+02:00Jim:
It's not really the same thing.
Evoluti...Jim:<br /><br />It's not really the same thing.<br /><br />Evolutionary biologists don't claim to have any special, arcane knowledge that is somehow hidden from the rest of us. The evidence for evolution is freely available to everyone, in the world around us. We can either accept it or not.<br /><br />Of course professional evolutionary biologists presumably have a much deeper understanding of the topic than everyone else, but it's not necessary to have read 25 books on evolution in order to have a working knowledge of its fundamental principles. Indeed, I've had a basic understanding of it since I was first exposed to the idea when I was around 6-years-old... my further reading on the subject has only deepened that understanding.<br /><br />Intelligent Design proponents aren't mocked because they don't know about the evidence for evolution. They're not even mocked because they can see the evidence, but they discard it anyway... everyone has the right to their point of view, even if it's wrong. ID proponents are mocked because they try to dress their religious convictions up as science, which is intellectually dishonest. <br /><br />In that respect, ID proponents are much the same as Dr Prinsloo: they take faith and magic, and pretend it's science. But it's not.Owen Swarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03023166526319714519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-39016577378805044662010-01-06T17:02:24.833+02:002010-01-06T17:02:24.833+02:00"This is a textbook case of the Argument from..."This is a textbook case of the Argument from Special Pleading. In essence, he is asserting that only somebody with special knowledge (knowledge that he, himself, just happens to possess) is qualified to engage in any sort of meaningful discussion on the topic of Homeopathy." ... ""It is against my principles to debate the validity and efficacy of Homeopathy with ignorants."<br /><br />I agree.. that is lame. Isnt this what happens all the time in the scientific community when people do not agree with the secularist view (rhetorical)? They are mocked and considered uneducated: not even worthy of debate. The topics of Evolution, and Intelligent Design come to mind. <br />http://tiny.cc/BLvUa <br />http://tiny.cc/JEV9pJim Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01207620333633972979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-41086257832014848622009-09-02T22:21:24.146+02:002009-09-02T22:21:24.146+02:00As luck would have it, I saved a copy of the origi...As luck would have it, I saved a copy of the original text of his page in my Google Docs. I can't share is from where I am now, but I will be able to publish it and post a link to it here in the morning.<br /><br />I'm sure we can publish his essay the same way... As long as we make sure to give proper attribution, it should be permisable under fair use.Owen Swarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03023166526319714519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-5259046177270611012009-09-02T21:47:17.971+02:002009-09-02T21:47:17.971+02:00My official response;
http://tinyurl.com/m63wvtMy official response;<br />http://tinyurl.com/m63wvtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-51745436097593751222009-09-02T21:44:21.690+02:002009-09-02T21:44:21.690+02:00Hey there army of awesomeness!
Here is a big THANK...Hey there army of awesomeness!<br />Here is a big THANK YOU! to everyone who supported the sceptics on this Prinsloo discussion.<br /><br />Unfortunately Prinsloo has altered the statements on his website to be a little less insulting. Does anyone know how we can rescue the original text off the internet?<br />Alternatively I have saved a copy of his original essay if anyone knows how we can legally host it for posterity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-89574498249818594332009-09-02T17:22:36.290+02:002009-09-02T17:22:36.290+02:00How do homeopaths treat nutritional and other defi...How do homeopaths treat nutritional and other deficiencies?<br /><br />I ask because their methods are blatantly at odds with obvious direct interventions.Irreverendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-77288670819042243712009-09-02T13:47:33.275+02:002009-09-02T13:47:33.275+02:00From a fellow IGNORANT.....That was an excellent r...From a fellow IGNORANT.....That was an excellent reply to Prinsloo, Owen, well done!The Skeptic Blacksheephttp://theskepticblacksheep.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-13248829930657844162009-09-01T18:41:52.992+02:002009-09-01T18:41:52.992+02:00Good stuff Owen. I hope this is okay - I haven'...Good stuff Owen. I hope this is okay - I haven't ready any books on 'leaving a comment' so not sure if I add any value? ;-)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10278173299668882985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-70961336768815966842009-09-01T12:57:57.738+02:002009-09-01T12:57:57.738+02:00"It is not the fault of Homeopathy that scien..."It is not the fault of Homeopathy that science has not yet advanced sufficiently to conclusively measure it."<br />Dr. J.P. Prinsloo snr.<br /><br />ROFLAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912075322194184633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-48225472732065791222009-09-01T09:22:25.770+02:002009-09-01T09:22:25.770+02:00:) Don't worry, I remembered. Skeptools FTW!:) Don't worry, I remembered. Skeptools FTW!Owen Swarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03023166526319714519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-63246702812879506562009-09-01T09:03:15.617+02:002009-09-01T09:03:15.617+02:00By the way, remember your nofollow tags...http://s...By the way, remember your nofollow tags...http://skeptools.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/not-just-for-spam-anymore-nofollow-for-skepticism/Anony Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08077107616686254136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-67063187691869033712009-09-01T09:00:33.909+02:002009-09-01T09:00:33.909+02:00Dude. Utter awesomeness.Dude. Utter awesomeness.Anony Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08077107616686254136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-24995505027367514422009-09-01T08:42:31.120+02:002009-09-01T08:42:31.120+02:00@Con-Tester: LOL! That is far too awesome. In effe...@Con-Tester: LOL! That is far too awesome. In effect, Prinsloo is paying me to slag him off! I love it!Owen Swarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03023166526319714519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-91833213642885928692009-09-01T08:32:34.528+02:002009-09-01T08:32:34.528+02:00I thought this blog has gone over to the dark side...I thought this blog has gone over to the dark side. That would be because of the Google ads which read as below. Pay particular attention to the third one. :D<br /><br /><b>South Africa Coins</b><br />EstEst.1972 Worldwide Leaders Online Enquiry for High Value Coins<br />www.SAGoldCoin.com<br /><br /><b>SCIO & Bio Feedback</b><br />Bio feedback and stress management Get your health back on track.<br />www.backtwohealth.co.za<br /><br /><b>Infertility Homeopath</b><br />Drs. JP.Prinsloo Inc Homeopath homeopath infertility pretoria<br />www.biocura.co.za<br /><br /><b>Cert. 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Good grief, and people buy this stuff...Oznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-31255827099890319462009-08-31T16:47:56.163+02:002009-08-31T16:47:56.163+02:00LOL! Well said, Simon!LOL! Well said, Simon!Owen Swarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03023166526319714519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319785.post-31522887966705267482009-08-31T16:45:53.758+02:002009-08-31T16:45:53.758+02:00I wonder how many books on statistics he has read?...I wonder how many books on statistics he has read? If he hasn't I wonder how he can consider himself an expert on treatment effects, i.e. whether Prinsloo understands what he means when he says " the proof is in the cure." <br /><br />Well, yes, the proof is in the cure when a statistically significant result is found on a treatment coefficient in multiple regression analyses and we can rule out false positives at our chosen level of significance. <br /><br />But maybe he isn't a qualified statistician, or not an expert statistician, or not registered with a board, or maybe a statistical 'ignorant'. Obviously someone who hasn't read <i>25 books</i> on treatment effects and RCTs can have no understanding of the methods of statistics. Or maybe not. Maybe it's dealt with in basic statistics texts, which, I admit, do assume you can do differentiation, matrix algebra, and probability theory. But hey, what's an education in quantitative techniques for?Simon Hallidayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04289994368497331598noreply@blogger.com